Curse

Skyy High · Jun 02, 2008, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

I agree with Phoenix, it's very simple if you don't like UB don't use UB. What I see are a bunch of sods who can't stand that others can now go where they go. I'm pretty sure Anet sees the data now of where and how much time people (especially casuals and newbies) are spending their time. Ursans may still get a nerf, but, I see no real reason to as the economy and everything inline with it is pretty stable and good now for EVERYBODY. I'd say 99% of all the quality loot in the game is now obtainable by EVERYBODY and that's a good thing. It's nice to know I can load up UB if I want to and have some solid good time fun with a group using it no matter how experienced we all are. Sure makes pugging a lot less frustrating now.

Guess what? If you grind norn up to r10 and proceed to Ursan FoW, DoA, UW, etc...YOU'RE NOT A CASUAL PLAYER!

Ursan doesn't help casual players, it helps BAD players, LAZY players, players who couldn't give a crap about the (formerly) innovative gameplay of GW and build-making, but just want all the shiny stuff that other players have. That's it! Stop defending Ursan as if it's the great equalizer between casuals and hardcore players; if anyone took the time spent grinding up norn rank and doing elite missions and dungeons in ursanway, and instead read up on good skill use and how to make a good build, and then followed the advice of experienced players, they could do anything any veteran can do. But no, no, let's just set our brains aside for a while and Ursan our way to the shinies, and then cower under the guise of "I'm just a poooooor casual player, this is the only way I can beat those big mean dungeons."

Actual casual players are playing and enjoying the storyline, the environment, the game, not wasting their few hours of enjoyment grinding away at a title.

Kendar Muert · Jun 02, 2008, 01:59 AM // 01:59

I play an elementalist, and while at first it was neat being able to clear nearly any area by myself with the insane energy I got... its ridiculous, and needs to be nerfed.

Not as badly as last time though

Red Sonya · Jun 02, 2008, 02:58 AM // 02:58

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I agree with Phoenix, it's very simple if you don't like UB don't use UB.

No its not that simple and I'm tired of people saying it is. If you think this way, you could care less about balance, and fit perfectly into the majority that Anet is catering to.

Exactly and why do you think Anet/NCsoft is catering to US (the majority)?? As I said it's very simple to make things simple for those that want it and for you that want challenge "DON'T USE THE SKILL"....it's as simple as that as I stated before. Find people like yourself who hate UB and play with them or better yet play with your heroes/henchies. There are sooooooo many ways for you to play and find challenge vs nerfing UB which will do nothing for the way YOU play cause you don't use it RIGHT?

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Guess what? If you grind norn up to r10 and proceed to Ursan FoW, DoA, UW, etc...YOU'RE NOT A CASUAL PLAYER!

WRONG! It's can be reached by a casual player who plays 2 hours a day or even less. It will just take longer, but, it's not unreachable. So, to say a casual player who gets UB r10 is not a casual player is wrong, sorry!

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Actual casual players are playing and enjoying the storyline, the environment, the game, not wasting their few hours of enjoyment grinding away at a title.

You're just full of wrongs today. I know casual players in my own guild who are actually working toward their rank for UB. See, this just goes to show you have no clue what you are talking about when you speculate about others. Since you are not a casual player you have no clue how every casual player plays. Some do this, some do that, some try a little of everything. You just proved the reason YOU want UB nerfed is you think lazy gamers and bad gamers want it so they can get the shiney trinkets YOU are getting and YOU don't like it. hahah Too bad it's here and it's doing what Anet intended for those that use it an enjoy it for whatever reason they are using it and enjoying it.

Dr Strangelove · Jun 02, 2008, 03:05 AM // 03:05

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

WRONG! It's can be reached by a casual player who plays 2 hours a day or even less. It will just take longer, but, it's not unreachable. So, to say a casual player who gets UB r10 is not a casual player is wrong, sorry!

I'm going to go out on a limb and say someone who plays 2 hours a day every day doing the same farming run isn't a casual player.

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

As I said it's very simple to make things simple for those that want it and for you that want challenge "DON'T USE THE SKILL"....it's as simple as that as I stated before. Find people like yourself who hate UB and play with them or better yet play with your heroes/henchies. There are sooooooo many ways for you to play and find challenge vs nerfing UB which will do nothing for the way YOU play cause you don't use it RIGHT?

As has been mentioned before, good games will have challenge built into them, often with higher difficulty levels. This was why hard mode was created, not to be better drops mode. Ursan blessing, among numerous other imbalances in PvE works against this. What's more, since this is a multiplayer game, grave imbalances don't exist in a vacuum, they affect the gaming experience of other players. You don't see something even a *little* bit wrong with a multiplayer game in which the majority prefer to use AI rather than play with each other?

Avarre · Jun 02, 2008, 03:13 AM // 03:13

Look people, it's pretty simple.

Ursan is a skill that has no attributes, no profession, and no skillbar selection criteria. It is a skill that is in direct opposition to the design of Guild Wars. The antithesis, if you will.

ANet showed us clearly that they're willing to completely ignore their own game design to throw stuff in for the noobs. There is no longer, ever, a reason to be surprised when anything worse happens. The skill set a huge precedent that PvE was going to become a lot easier, and a lot more broken.

I actually prefer skills like Ether Renewal, at least they still function on the principles of build design. 8 imbalanced Guild Wars skills on one bar is better to me than 1 skill that pretty much sets up a character for you, with no Guild Wars mechanics really involved.

Tyla · Jun 02, 2008, 03:18 AM // 03:18

I expected you to close this by now, Avarre...

I mean, you've already won the thread, and there is no point in further discussion because all it does is come back to the same old argument over and over.

Clarissa F · Jun 02, 2008, 03:29 AM // 03:29

How many threads about imbalanced skills degenerate into Ursan threads, though? It's pointless to close them, as someone else will forget how to use search and ake another thread on the same subject. Might as well let it roll.

I'm telling ya, just make the blessings enchantments. Any necro or mesmer AI's will make it their bitch, and bye-bye skills.

samifly · Jun 02, 2008, 04:15 AM // 04:15

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Exactly and why do you think Anet/NCsoft is catering to US (the majority)?? As I said it's very simple to make things simple for those that want it and for you that want challenge "DON'T USE THE SKILL"....it's as simple as that as I stated before. Find people like yourself who hate UB and play with them or better yet play with your heroes/henchies. There are sooooooo many ways for you to play and find challenge vs nerfing UB which will do nothing for the way YOU play cause you don't use it RIGHT?

WRONG! It's can be reached by a casual player who plays 2 hours a day or even less. It will just take longer, but, it's not unreachable. So, to say a casual player who gets UB r10 is not a casual player is wrong, sorry!

You're just full of wrongs today. I know casual players in my own guild who are actually working toward their rank for UB. See, this just goes to show you have no clue what you are talking about when you speculate about others. Since you are not a casual player you have no clue how every casual player plays. Some do this, some do that, some try a little of everything. You just proved the reason YOU want UB nerfed is you think lazy gamers and bad gamers want it so they can get the shiney trinkets YOU are getting and YOU don't like it. hahah Too bad it's here and it's doing what Anet intended for those that use it an enjoy it for whatever reason they are using it and enjoying it.

I think you don't know who a causal player is or your definition of "Causal" is off. Casual players who do this and that won't have time to spend get to R10 norn.

Most people are upset because like Avarre said its totally against the style of the old GW.

zwei2stein · Jun 02, 2008, 05:24 AM // 05:24

I wish i had pony for each time someone told people "Don't Like it, don't do it."

It. Does. Not. Work. That. Way. Seriously, someone should made sticky about how its logical fallacy and nonargument of highest grade.

Akolo · Jun 02, 2008, 05:38 AM // 05:38

totally agree with avarre.

DarkNecrid · Jun 02, 2008, 06:37 AM // 06:37

I say they make one balance medium, and focus it on PvP and nerf Soul Reaping, Paragons, Bear, SY!, TNTF!, etc etc etc.

Don't like it? Don't use em.

EDIT: Using logical fallacies against people using logical fallacies is oddly amusing.

Mouse at Large · Jun 02, 2008, 06:54 AM // 06:54

"Don't like it don't do it" is not a logical fallacy.

Nobody can dictate to you what skills you use. They may apply pressure to use a particular build in a particular group, but if you disagree, you are free to find another group or go down the H/H route.

I say this a a Legendary Vanquisher who never once needed to use Ursan.

Ursan may make the game easier, but that does not make the game better.

Racthoh · Jun 02, 2008, 07:07 AM // 07:07

Infinite energy for heals/prots? Get better instead.
Maintain infinite Life Bonds? "Save Yourselves!"/Enfeebling Blood is better.
Mash your damage spells away? Warriors/Paragons/Dervs/Sins/Ursan/Splinter Weapon are still better.

Ether Renewal doesn't add anything new to the PvE game that we didn't already have. It's not that big a deal.

Esan · Jun 02, 2008, 07:25 AM // 07:25

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

I wish i had pony for each time someone told people "Don't Like it, don't do it."

If you don't like the argument, don't use it.

upier · Jun 02, 2008, 07:27 AM // 07:27

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

I wish i had pony for each time someone told people "Don't Like it, don't do it."

It. Does. Not. Work. That. Way. Seriously, someone should made sticky about how its logical fallacy and nonargument of highest grade.

The game isn't balanced on that specific skill.
You have your own instance.
The game isn't competitive.

Now please share with me - WHY can't you NOT use it?

In the current PvE - the argument "If you don't like - don't use it." is a completely valid one.

holababe · Jun 02, 2008, 07:34 AM // 07:34

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Originally Posted by xDusT II

Can the majority now finally admit that they have no idea what it is they truly want?

The majority never had any idea what they wanted.
People just kept complaining because things were too hard

Avarre · Jun 02, 2008, 07:35 AM // 07:35

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Originally Posted by upier

In the current PvE - the argument "If you don't like - don't use it." is a completely valid one.

It's an absolutely retarded and closeminded argument, because 95% of the time the argument against overpowered skills stems from an analysis of the consequences on overall game design and balance, not from the perspective of the player.

Whether I use Ursan or not doesn't change the fact it shows a violation of the original game design. Whether I use SY and ER or not doesn't change the fact they remove challenge and depth from the game.

Whether you use them or not doesn't matter to me, what matters is that someone in ANet who has the power to create the game thought these were a good idea, and that doesn't give me confidence in the future - because these kind of gimmicks are not maintainable development, and just tell me that ANet will degrade what they make to squeeze some money out of it.

Sab · Jun 02, 2008, 07:38 AM // 07:38

Ether Renewal seems like one of those skills that takes a while to figure out. I'm guessing someone will eventually find a way to exploit it, or a future update will buff another skill that'll synergize with ER.

BlackSephir · Jun 02, 2008, 08:01 AM // 08:01

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Originally Posted by upier

In the current PvE - the argument "If you don't like - don't use it." is a completely valid one.

You think that if I won't use it, it won't be overpowered? No, it still is overpowered. You're just not using it. The idiotic "dun like dun use it lawl" might've been used to defend bugged Signet of Ghostly Might.
Avarre, you forgot that ursan lets you ignore most conditions and hexes

bel unbreakable · Jun 02, 2008, 08:15 AM // 08:15

im sure the original game design had us all doing pvp bye now